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Open Beta for new messenger page

Hello Fighters,

The digital arena is ever-evolving, and so are we. We introduce the Open Beta for our revamped mail pag:

🚀 Join the Open Beta: We invite you to experience and shape our new messenger system.
📩 How to Participate: If you want to be part of this, simply let us know down below or open a ticket.
🗣 Feedback: Feel free to share your feedback or bug findings directly here, or for a more detailed and private discussion, use our ticket system.
📝 Rich Text Editor:Our newly integrated rich text editor allows you to format your messages, making your conversations more expressive and personalized.

We hope you enjoy the overhauled mail page and are looking forward to your participation in the open beta test and your feedback.

Thank you for your help.

Best Regards,
Admin

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Editado últimamente el 25/10/2023 14:57 por Admin
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bjjgrappler (12)

25/10/2023 15:04

I would like to be part of this test beta

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dirtybarefet (0)

28/10/2023 1:41

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i'm in for the new page

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videostar07 (43 )

25/10/2023 15:07

I love testing things! May I be a part of the beta?

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JimDublin (9 )

26/10/2023 5:40

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Hello fellow tester

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manbarbs (26)

25/10/2023 15:08

I would love to participate

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mcic (159)

25/10/2023 15:12

I'll give it a try

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Support Specialist (2)

25/10/2023 15:13

Enjoy your new mail page

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FLGripper (8 )

27/10/2023 16:24

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Thanks... I actually like this new setup!

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wrestlesub (22)

25/10/2023 15:14

Count me in

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SmallFry (3)

25/10/2023 15:19

I'd love to help in the beta!

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FightLover (39)

25/10/2023 15:20

I'd like to take part of the test

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shore2shore (3)

25/10/2023 15:21

Open to testing!

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Support Specialist (2)

25/10/2023 15:24

Enjoy your new mail page!

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shore2shore (3)

25/10/2023 15:27

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I like the visual interface, but it will take a minute to get used to the messages showing in chronological order and the message box appearing at the bottom instead of the top.

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cute guy (26)

26/10/2023 9:51

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I agree
I prefer the old version

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shore2shore (3)

25/10/2023 15:32

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On the left side, it would be great if the username and online indicator were a bit bolder. it is hard to see.

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Pinmewrestler (1 )

25/10/2023 15:30

I'm in ill try it

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Ryen Hampton (11)

25/10/2023 15:30

I’m happy to participate

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dan9692 (64 )

25/10/2023 15:31

I'll give it a whirl

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Danny biceps (17 )

25/10/2023 15:36

Happy to participate

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

25/10/2023 15:36

I volunteer

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Neomon (22)

25/10/2023 15:38

Happy to sign up.

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wrestlepa (37)

25/10/2023 15:41

Sounds good

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mmt005 (0)

25/10/2023 15:44

i'm in to test this! :)

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SqueezeNW (68)

25/10/2023 15:46

I'd like to opt in to testing the beta

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OceanWrestler (108)

25/10/2023 15:59

I’ll happily give it a try!

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Support Specialist (2)

25/10/2023 16:04

I hope you all enjoy the new mail page! :)

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

25/10/2023 16:34

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I'm having issues seeing what I type, the menu gets it the way and the cursor keeps jumping ahead and jumbles what I type

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RojoLion (86 )

29/10/2023 7:06

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What I liked about the previous version is if I started a message, I can go back to the profile and then go back to the draft message and what I left in draft is still there. This new version doesn’t save a draft version of your message if you happen to leave the message Section

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passiveboy20 (7)

25/10/2023 16:04

I’d like to use this beta

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

25/10/2023 16:08

takes some getting used to but I like it. can we delete messages without having to open them please?

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dnaeel (68 )

25/10/2023 16:17

Cool news. I'd be happy to try the new beta, too 🥊

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

25/10/2023 16:21

I'm having issues seeing what I type, the menu gets it the way and the cursor keeps jumping ahead and jumbles what I type.

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Support Specialist (2)

25/10/2023 16:33

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Please provide a ticket with the screenshot of the issue you have, as we are unable to replicate it. Thanks! :)

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BAWrestler (12 )

25/10/2023 16:28

Will give it a try!

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synxiec (73)

25/10/2023 16:37

Testing sounds fun! I would love to do that and to know what kind of feedback you'd be looking for!

Edit: well that was fast :)

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Michael D (20)

25/10/2023 16:39

I am interested in the beta testing

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Scooter (71 )

25/10/2023 16:41

I'd like to participate in the beta testing. I send a lot of messages related to Wrestlefest NYC.

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Gladidead (7)

25/10/2023 16:43

I am in for this

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Support Specialist (2)

25/10/2023 16:47

Enjoy your new mail page!

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Panypanoo (1)

25/10/2023 16:50

Up for the beta testing :)

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kevinsantana (11 )

25/10/2023 16:52

I would like to be apart of this process

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Tagos (30 )

25/10/2023 17:01

I would like to try

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dnaeel (68 )

25/10/2023 17:03

My first feedback: it would be nice to see a double tick when my message has been read. Currently there's only a single tick with a different colour, which confuses me, because in most apps, single tick always means unread.

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jamielee (4)

25/10/2023 17:12

I’ll happily test this :)

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Fueru (3)

25/10/2023 17:36

yes i can try

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swimjock (2)

25/10/2023 17:42

I'm game to test

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mexicanboxingboy (3 )

25/10/2023 17:42

I would like to participate in the Beta

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FighterGingerJai (4 )

25/10/2023 17:46

I'd like to test and help out

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Tagos (30 )

25/10/2023 17:52

I don't find it bad at all! intuitive. well done!

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Support Specialist (2)

25/10/2023 17:55

Enjoy your new mail page! Looking forward to your feedback! :)

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subprosea (102)

25/10/2023 17:58

I'll try it.

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cute guy (26)

25/10/2023 18:00

Let’s do it

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briansp (56 )

25/10/2023 18:08

Include me please

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Jarrod (0)

25/10/2023 18:17

sounds good

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Wood Floor Grapple (1 )

25/10/2023 18:37

I would like to participate

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submisionss (64 )

25/10/2023 18:39

I’d love to participate

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BJJWrestlerLasVegas (14)

25/10/2023 18:40

I would be open to trying this new messenger

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Embrace Chaos (7)

25/10/2023 18:56

Would love to participate on that 🔥

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Alyxx (17)

25/10/2023 18:59

Would like to be a part of it as well!

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SRaj48 (6 )

25/10/2023 19:36

Good stuff

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Furrycub85 (0 )

25/10/2023 19:37

Happy to test

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BigDave (7 )

25/10/2023 19:38

I want to participate, Please.

Thank you.

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billy8660 (37 )

25/10/2023 19:47

I wanna join

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abs ol (11 )

25/10/2023 20:16

I’d like to participate

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freestyle singlet (0)

25/10/2023 20:37

I would like to try open beta

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Chub bangalore (0)

25/10/2023 20:38

Let's Goooo

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Libdray (37 )

25/10/2023 20:42

Sound great! Sign me up

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Chubben (4 )

25/10/2023 20:44

Yes please 👋 I’ll give it ago

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GTheFighta (3 )

25/10/2023 20:46

wanna try it!

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Midwestdude (62)

25/10/2023 20:55

Open to testing

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

25/10/2023 21:17

anyone else having issues using on the cellphone? the text menu doesn't let me see what I type and the cursor jumps ahead of the screen and jumbles de words.

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HenryP (0)

25/10/2023 21:43

I would love to give it a try

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notnerb (3)

25/10/2023 21:52

I’d like to be part of the beta testing

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Leatherjacketon (1)

25/10/2023 22:06

Yes I'll participate

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Submission Guy 82 (58 )

25/10/2023 22:10

I’d like to try this please

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Beaker (11)

25/10/2023 22:15

Are we ALL going to eventually HAVE to migrate to beta or will it be optional?

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dansp (10)

25/10/2023 22:16

I'd like to participate

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barondavis (30)

25/10/2023 22:24

I’m in! :)

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BaileyM (0 )

25/10/2023 22:28

I’d like to give it a try

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Princesse Ludwyna (1)

25/10/2023 23:03

Want to test it.

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Grawres (2 )

25/10/2023 23:11

Nice, it’s good idea 👍🏼

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BiggBoy00 (3)

25/10/2023 23:15

I would like to participate

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boxerexplorer (3)

25/10/2023 23:30

Sure, count me in

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Veteri (13)

25/10/2023 23:36

I wanna try!

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Yesims (1)

26/10/2023 0:13

i’ll try!!

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EranG (7)

26/10/2023 0:17

Would love to be part of the beta testing team

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Turtle (2)

26/10/2023 0:20

I wanna try :3

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Mark-Herts (0)

26/10/2023 0:33

Please add me to the beta test

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hollywoodbattle (0 )

26/10/2023 0:42

Please add me to the beta test also

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SkullBeef (13)

26/10/2023 0:48

I’d love to partake in the beta 🙋‍♂️

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aussiefight (0)

26/10/2023 0:56

I'd like to be included in the beta please

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mattz4fun (639)

26/10/2023 1:18

Add me in! I should be able dig in deep!

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edscissors (31 )

26/10/2023 1:38

Thank you, Admin and your team of supporters, for working so hard to keep the site(s) lively and vibrant.

Each time you upgrade, you get predictable bouquets and brickbats. Generally you are, of course, quite right and we all very soon get used to new formats.

Personally, I'm happy with messaging as it is right now so shall not, I think, volunteer to beta-test a new system. But if you decide to upgrade after testing, I'm sure we'll all quite quickly love what you do and wonder how we ever managed before.

So, my message is, simply, THANK YOU, Admin, for all you do for us.

Edward

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Challenge3 (49)

26/10/2023 1:40

Not interested in changing anything.

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roughm2m (0 )

26/10/2023 2:03

Happy to be of support and experience your beta mail

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Wayne (0 )

26/10/2023 2:26

Sure, tech challenged (lol) but will give it a bash.

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jobber ba (8 )

26/10/2023 2:53

Wanna be part of beta!

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AgentPoseidon (32)

26/10/2023 3:13

I'll give it a whirl.

Scott

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skweezhard (7 )

26/10/2023 3:32

I would like to try the new beta ...

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moadeception (1 )

26/10/2023 3:35

i wanna take part

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slimcharming (9)

26/10/2023 3:39

Down to give the format a try!

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playfulwrestler (27 )

26/10/2023 3:56

Yes, I’d like to give it a try, please.

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ManyNames (23 )

26/10/2023 4:17

I’d like to participate in the beta

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MajesticSleeper (35 )

26/10/2023 4:21

Happy to try the beta!

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Hammer (34)

26/10/2023 4:32

Sign me up

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TBLHockeyGeek (81 )

26/10/2023 4:33

Add me in!

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TheBaldGuy (1)

26/10/2023 4:34

I would like to be added

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brians1974515 (0 )

26/10/2023 5:01

Please add me

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BoxerRhino (8 )

26/10/2023 5:09

I'll try it.

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wrestlerherts (32)

26/10/2023 6:29

Please add me to beta testing - great approach , thanks

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Satexonthemat (1)

26/10/2023 7:28

I would like to partake in this.

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Support Specialist (2)

26/10/2023 8:34

Enjoy your new mail page! Looking forward to your feedback! :)

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ukwrestler (136 )

26/10/2023 10:11

Happy to try the beta

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Aznar (3)

26/10/2023 11:48

Count me in for your beta testing if you still need volunteers.

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azncub (15)

26/10/2023 13:02

Count me in!

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Support Specialist (2)

26/10/2023 13:03

Have fun with your new mail page!

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nativelum (12)

26/10/2023 13:31

I'd like to participate.

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Aznar (3)

26/10/2023 13:50

Glad you added a rich text editor at least ! It will add so many nuances to my messages.
If I might suggest, perhaps a button to change the brightness of the background color like a dark mode or something.

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Red 1220 (0)

26/10/2023 14:03

Love to be part

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ArabFighter (13)

26/10/2023 14:51

I volunteer

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HenryP (0)

26/10/2023 14:54

Good morning, hope everyone is doing well.

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Barefotwrestler (38)

26/10/2023 15:08

I’ll try the BETA.

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Mature Wrestler (0)

26/10/2023 15:14

I’ll try it.

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Support Specialist (2)

26/10/2023 15:35

Have fun with your new mail page!

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GrappleBear (7 )

26/10/2023 15:39

Happy to take part in the Beta testing

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latinman31 (65)

26/10/2023 16:18

I would like to try the beta

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Damian Pike (17 )

26/10/2023 16:19

If you don't mind, I would like to try out beta!

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Hairylad (6)

26/10/2023 16:31

Happy to participate

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BOXER20000 (4 )

26/10/2023 17:15

I'd love to try out the Beta

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superjock (0)

26/10/2023 17:24

I would love to try the beta

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Miamiguy64 (18)

26/10/2023 17:36

I would like to try this beta

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ilovetowreslte (43)

26/10/2023 17:43

Happy to participate

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wrestling game (37)

26/10/2023 18:08

I would like to be part of this test beta

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beachedboy (2)

26/10/2023 19:01

I'd like to participate in the trial

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ManManc (2)

26/10/2023 19:07

No, thanks.

The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head —
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.

But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat —
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more —
All hopping through the frothy waves,
And scrambling to the shore.

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Libdray (37 )

26/10/2023 20:14

Some first idea:
Same colour banner on sent and received messages is not a great idea:(

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subdude (5 )

26/10/2023 20:15

Im in for beta testing

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elpectoral (17)

26/10/2023 21:10

Please let me join.

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olibrius (5)

26/10/2023 21:11

I d like to test the beta if you agree....

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rowdybear (46 )

26/10/2023 22:39

I'll give it a try!

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Natwing (52)

26/10/2023 22:52

Yes for me.

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kimmetje (149 )

26/10/2023 22:53

Also happy to join if you need Europeans :)

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SRQlightweight (2)

26/10/2023 23:05

I'm willing to join the beta!

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Buddy17 (2 )

26/10/2023 23:20

I'm in to beta

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MatMeatUp (3)

26/10/2023 23:21

Count me in! Thanks.

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Dddeeeg (0 )

26/10/2023 23:35

Heya! Id love to give it a go and see how it is!

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Wata13 (5 )

26/10/2023 23:57

I would love be a beta tester

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MrClevelandSir (14 )

27/10/2023 0:11

Sign me up

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barcoded (8 )

27/10/2023 0:25

Sounds good, happy to help the B test

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paul12101000 (2 )

27/10/2023 0:52

I would be part of the beta for new messaging

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MexicanWrestler97 (2)

27/10/2023 1:18

I want to be on the beta

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DanChub (2 )

27/10/2023 1:58

I'd love to get access to the beta!

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NWSEathlete (2)

27/10/2023 3:40

please include me in the messenger beta program.

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Bighouse (1)

27/10/2023 4:19

I am open to testing.

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Bighouse (1)

27/10/2023 4:21

I’d like to participate in testing Beta.

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wrestledude (11)

27/10/2023 5:11

I would like to be a part of the messenger beta test.

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extralarge (46)

27/10/2023 8:58

I would like to participate in this new way of messages.

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Support Specialist (2)

27/10/2023 9:38

Hope you enjoy our new mail page! Looking forward for all the feedback.

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Judomonkey (76)

27/10/2023 10:02

Happy to help test

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LoveProMuscleBouts (2 )

27/10/2023 10:15

Would love to test it

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Starlucas (3)

27/10/2023 10:20

I would like to try the beta version.

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Starlucas (3)

27/10/2023 10:56

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If I type something it is going reverse. Please i go back to old version.

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FightLover (39)

27/10/2023 10:37

Feedbacks:
- From the PC the news is not displayed on the top, only by scrolling with a touchpad it can be seen for few seconds, not able to do it by a mouse and not possibile to click on it. On a smartphone it's visible, so the two view should be aligned.
- I would keep the message part in the same space as it is now, because to go in the photo section, recommendations and so on you need to exit from this view, go to the main page and then click on the section you want to see.
- Make distinct the messages sent by the one received by a different colour
- Restore the possibility to enlarge again the preview of the message. In the old system there was a button to enlarge the preview of the message, not it's gone.
- Make the online status more visibile. as the profile pic eventually

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P-X-3 (1 )

27/10/2023 10:46

I would love to test the Beta

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pndfighter (121 )

27/10/2023 10:50

Always happy to help test new stuff!

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The Professor (66 )

27/10/2023 10:51

Sign me up for the beta platform. Thanks

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Starlucas (3)

27/10/2023 10:58

0lease undo my beta version since I cant reply to my followers anymore.

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Starlucas (3)

27/10/2023 11:04

Could you please remove me from the beta messenger? I can't send messages anymore....i don't see the box clearly and the text is reversed. I prefer so far the previous version....

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

28/10/2023 17:10

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I have the same issue

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RojoLion (86 )

27/10/2023 12:02

I would like to participate in the message beta test.

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JTacomaSub1 (0)

27/10/2023 13:33

Please add me to the beta testers.

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Pinmeifyoucan (39)

27/10/2023 13:47

I would be happy to be a tester!

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Support Specialist (2)

27/10/2023 14:06

Enjoy your new mail page!

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Hiro17 (0)

27/10/2023 14:32

Would like to try

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FLGripper (8 )

27/10/2023 15:10

I would ;like to test it as well

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Guy West (34 )

27/10/2023 15:23

I would like to be part of the Open Beta plz 😍

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tennesseeoz (2)

27/10/2023 16:48

Count me in

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Hawkewind (0)

27/10/2023 16:58

I'll give it a go for you

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volcano (20 )

27/10/2023 18:13

i'll be part of it.

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elpectoral (17)

27/10/2023 18:37

On mobile I can't see the text field when I write a chat message.

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

28/10/2023 17:09

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neither can I

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maricon (0)

27/10/2023 21:16

Include me!

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fitnesssouth1 (13)

27/10/2023 21:19

ill like to be part of the beta please

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AZFighter2 (32)

27/10/2023 22:08

Oooooo I want to take part in this.

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LieuML (2)

27/10/2023 22:35

I want to test it too!

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OttawaWrestler (3)

27/10/2023 23:47

Would love to test it :)

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Wolfman65 (6)

28/10/2023 0:45

Happy to try it

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Jemtl (12)

28/10/2023 3:29

Would love to test it out , count me in!

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Mike Gaine (68)

28/10/2023 5:08

Yes to beta testing

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biguy (12)

28/10/2023 14:52

im up for participating

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NCgrappler (50 )

28/10/2023 15:30

I want to participate in the beta version

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AntoAng VeGa (0 )

28/10/2023 15:47

Claro que me gustaría participar.

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LAmatguy (2 )

28/10/2023 17:44

I’m in, let me know

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Berlin (113 )

28/10/2023 17:55

I would love to participate

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Blaze Bradley (33 )

28/10/2023 18:38

Count me in 🥊

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BeefyPro (0)

28/10/2023 19:23

Any pro wrestler?

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elpectoral (17)

28/10/2023 20:38

I can't write chat messages anymore. Please roll me back to the previous version.

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

28/10/2023 20:40

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I opened a ticket but I haven't gotten a reply

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Admin

28/10/2023 21:20

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Rollback done

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

29/10/2023 2:52

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still on the beta version

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denverjock (6)

28/10/2023 21:31

I’d like to try it.

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sleeperuout2 (14)

29/10/2023 0:01

Definitely would be interested

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FEISTY (56)

29/10/2023 1:53

I’d like to try.

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gures (50 )

29/10/2023 2:10

thanks for the continual upgrades guys

i would like to try the new system

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RojoLion (86 )

29/10/2023 7:09

The placement of the message menu items needs to be beneath the message window, not on top. It’s not intuitive that way it’s actually in the way it is very cumbersome.

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all4her (0)

29/10/2023 8:03

Sure, I'm up for trying this. Let me know what I need to do to help out.

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Marcob3k (2)

29/10/2023 8:14

I'd love to participate with the beta testing

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Bulldog4499 (2 )

29/10/2023 10:26

I would like to take part in the beta testing

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EagleScout18 (5)

29/10/2023 23:43

Yeah I’m down I would like to take part in the beta testing

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doyouevenwrestle2 (52)

30/10/2023 0:29

can I opt out? I'm having issues sending messages

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Pro Master (15)

30/10/2023 0:47

I’d like to test it

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LukaYe (11)

30/10/2023 8:17

I'm in for this beta

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cute guy (26)

30/10/2023 8:31

I tried it and i really prefer the old version
In this one my messages are sent like half of the words are cut

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Support Specialist (2)

30/10/2023 10:43

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Rollback done! :)

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Support Specialist (2)

30/10/2023 10:43

Enjoy your new mail page!

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brians1974515 (0 )

30/10/2023 17:13

I would like to be part of this test beta

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brians1974515 (0 )

30/10/2023 17:13

I would like to be part of this test beta.

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joewrestler (160)

30/10/2023 19:30

I would like to participate in this test beta.

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Takushitsu (10 )

30/10/2023 20:24

I would definitely like to participate and give feedbacks! :)

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FriendlyBrit (6)

30/10/2023 20:46

I’m interested

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Admin

30/10/2023 21:22

Thank you for helping us!
We updated the mail page and included a lot of the feedback and findings, including the bug about the disappearing or very small text box on some Android phones.
Please let us know if you still have problems.

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Trainme7 (6)

31/10/2023 0:09

Would love to join the beta and test it out!

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Bighouse (1)

01/11/2023 6:05

I want to test the beta page out.

Bighouse

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son4coach (0 )

01/11/2023 8:20

I'd like to test the new beta page.

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Support Specialist (2)

01/11/2023 10:12

Enjoy your new mail page!
Looking forward for your feedback. :)

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LoveProMuscleBouts (2 )

01/11/2023 23:01

Who wants to strip down to our speedos and use me repeatedly for lifts especially bench pressing me overhead

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Terrygmg (13)

02/11/2023 3:54

Wanna try it

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SleeperSubmisson92 (0)

02/11/2023 17:38

I will try it out if you need people still!

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dnaeel (68 )

03/11/2023 15:00

Looks like my mail page got quite unreadable in the last days: now I see a black background in the page, while the boxes with the message preview are all dark gray, so it's hard to read the text (light gray on dark gray) and the nicknames (blue on dark gray). Looks like a dark theme gone wrong. Am I the only one?

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Admin

03/11/2023 17:06

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Can you please open a ticket? After the ticket is opened, you can attach some screenshots with the 'attach a file' button.
That would help a lot! - To open a ticket: https://www.meetfighters.com/Support/topic/9999

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Mirage7029 (0)

03/11/2023 15:55

I'll like to be part of the open beta

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Takabou (1)

05/11/2023 7:51

私も参加希望です
お願い致します

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son4coach (0 )

05/11/2023 10:02

Is there a way for me to LEAVE the beta and go back to the "old version"?

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ChokeHoldBear (47 )

05/11/2023 13:50

I'm up for testing this out

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Brmunc (7 )

05/11/2023 17:41

I would like to participate as well

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Tintinfight (40)

06/11/2023 0:40

Je ne veux pas participer. La présentation est illisible et pas pratique.

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Tintinfight (40)

06/11/2023 0:41

I want to go to the old version.

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dann the man (12 )

06/11/2023 9:11

Is it to late to apply to be a tester?

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Admin

06/11/2023 13:43

You can now switch back & forth on the mail page between the new and old messenger: https://www.meetfighters.com/mail#/

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son4coach (0 )

06/11/2023 13:50

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Great! Thanks!

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DirtyDadBrawler (6)

06/11/2023 16:20

I would be happy to participate.

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Nosferathus (4)

06/11/2023 22:25

Gostaria de participar também desta experiência nova.
O que tenho de fazer?

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biguy (12)

09/11/2023 8:29

I’ve given up on the bets
It continually misses out some of what I have typed when posting a message, very frustrating
Gone back to the old messenger and all good again

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biguy (12)

09/11/2023 8:30

Given up on the beta I meant to say

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Francis Schwann (24 )

22/11/2023 14:50

I would like to join the beta

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Berlin (113 )

22/11/2023 18:23

I used the beta app today, it worked very well and stable. the configuration is good. The only thing I missing is a list of recent visitors to my page. I am using this feature on the web site very often.

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Falkensmaze (0)

23/11/2023 17:30

Hey I would like to participate (Android)

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Countryman (18)

23/11/2023 20:36

I can’t wait to there app on my iPhone

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BigmanZ56 (10)

26/11/2023 0:25

I would
Like to try this myself

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